Curse

Stormbringer · Nov 06, 2005, 10:35 AM // 10:35

Since most of you Warriors like to get annoying if someone uses a sword, like: Oh man, GO AXE U DAMN NOOB!
This is the thread to expose you thoughts, your reasons, and your oppinion on Swords, Axes and if you want, on Hammers too.

Swords
Only one elite skill, Hundred blades, so you can use plenty of other skills with ur attack build to do more and more fast damage.
Sever Artery / Gash / Galrath's Slash / Final Thrust / Battle rage
and a small distracting blow to interupt for a short interval what you do not want to see.
Fast attack speed, even faster with the appropiate skills.
Beserk, Frenzy,Flurry
Good damage, 15-22, basicly you just get a good damage gap between minimal and maximal, unlike axes.
Small adrenaline cost, unlike axes and hammers.
Only one true spike, I think...
Sever Artery / Gash / Galrath's Slash / Final Thrust / Battle rage

Please, do not start like this:
Man i completly disagree, gna gna gna bad dmg, big cap, no penetrate, stupid spike.
Do like I did, act civilised!

Wheez · Nov 06, 2005, 12:12 PM // 12:12

2 Elites: Hundred Blades & Battle Rage?

rii · Nov 06, 2005, 12:16 PM // 12:16

Use the search button. This has been argued so many times its not funny. And no, we dont need to hear it again.

The fact of the matter is that it seems one person can take out an entire warrior spike by themselves. Im having doubts as to whether they are worth it at all tbh.

p.s heard of averages? It seems clear your already biased to proving swords are better/equal (which everyone already knows) and all the elites on the site are scrubs who are totally biased for NO REASON AT ALL. omg you pious martyr to the balance faith. go you!!!!1111!!1!1! (sarcasm btw)

Hannibel · Nov 06, 2005, 05:23 PM // 17:23

rii i have no idea what the hell you just said on the last paragraph makes no sense, but yeah i don't see anything about axe or hammer, there's different builds for different situations on sword, axe, and hammer

NinjaMonkey · Nov 06, 2005, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Swords also get riposte/deadly-riposte, which are ub3rleet skills in the proper application [and providing you have enough put in tactics].

e.g taking out some really badazz melee enemy like a sand wurm. easily farmable by just spamming riposte/deadly-riposte every time it hits you, you get no damage and give the basterd 50ish damage back. and the occasional glad defense with healing sig to keep you alive if it did hit you for whatever reason.
but anyways, this ain't about farming. sry for going OT

ye axes are considered 'leeter' cause they have cleave. which until recently had really ownage damage and used to be extremely spammable [4 adrenal], but now they made it even stronger. like a 10 dmg boost. so yeah. axes pwn even more. [in theory, atleast]

in practice, iv'e yet to see an axe or hammer warrior beat my sword w/n build. yes i use a fiery dragon sword, and you can call me a n00bz0r or whatever, but point remains that i never died to a hammer/axe warrior, regardless of what their build was.
[but then again, maybe it's cause i'm playing on comp europe arenas most the time >_<]

my 2c..

P.S
hundred blades pwnz! fook anyone who says different

JYX · Nov 06, 2005, 06:04 PM // 18:04

You're joking aren't you. Just wanna confirm.

entropy · Nov 06, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Same as ^^. I mean are you really serious!!!??? to ninja monkey. And btw hundred blades sucks unless its a specialized situation such as with orders necro;s. And 4 skills isn't fast enough for a spike even under frenzy. Its 2-3 skills. Which is why axe is most popular as +82dmg and deep wound in 2 skills is pretty nice. Also use the search.

rii · Nov 06, 2005, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Hannibel

rii i have no idea what the hell you just said on the last paragraph makes no sense, but yeah i don't see anything about axe or hammer, there's different builds for different situations on sword, axe, and hammer

Mr. Stormbringer raised the point that there is a larger gap between max and minimum damage on axes, and swords have a smaller gap. This is true, but in terms of average dps they will deal the same if you look at the average damage per hit.

Im in a bad mood.

NinjaMonkey · Nov 06, 2005, 06:21 PM // 18:21

I won't start a discussion about hundred blades, that will just escalate to "Hundred blades vs. cylcone axe" but that was already done to death. [really..]

And yeh. i was serious. o_O dunno why you two think i wasn't.. swords own.

Guardian of the Light · Nov 06, 2005, 07:51 PM // 19:51

AAA not another one of these threads for the last time SWORDS, AXES, and HAMMERS ALL ARE EVEN THERE JUST GOOD IN DIFFERENT WAYS

However I agree there are too many So called "Ax Pros" who think sword is weak thats one of the weaknesses in IWAY they over-use ax.

entropy · Nov 06, 2005, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Cleave is shit in pvp. Just go look in the library of wisdom section I think. That has been done to death .Why would a warrior attack you since thats how Riposte+deadly Riposte work. The good warriors don't attack you. hundred blades is like cyclone axe but the ONLY reason it was made elite is that it was couple with IW and that was a very bad thing so they made it elite. If it was a regular skill it would be fine. But because its elite it sucks. happy? Axe is doing very well in the metagame but hammer still owns all :P

smurfhunter · Nov 06, 2005, 08:24 PM // 20:24

for the best melee damage, you should use desperation blow. its like.. awesome. best combo ever: desperation blow -> power attack. soooo good

Jetdoc · Nov 06, 2005, 08:26 PM // 20:26

As stated many times before, sword is excellent for inflicting conditions while axe is clearly superior in its damage and spike dealing capacity.

In my opinion, sword is better for long-drawn out battles against melee-based opponents, while axe is better for quick battles (especially against casters and other soft targets). I can elaborate further, but this has clearly been done to death.

Stormbringer · Nov 06, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

However I agree there are too many So called "Ax Pros" who think sword is weak thats one of the weaknesses in IWAY they over-use ax.

Yep, that's what I am desperately trying to cure....

smurfhunter · Nov 06, 2005, 08:32 PM // 20:32

alternatively, you can try something i like to call the schÖrner-krampf attack, which is:

griffons sweep -> power shot -> mending -> sever artery -> hammer bash

takes a bit of practice to get the weapon switches right, but its soooo good

Guardian of the Light · Nov 06, 2005, 08:32 PM // 20:32

As soon as this build's final problems are gone they'll be no more of those guys
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=74121

twicky_kid · Nov 06, 2005, 08:37 PM // 20:37

axe is for an attack elite. sword is used for non-attack elites. the dmg is equal, conditions is equal, and both have same attack speed.

hundrend blades is starting to look promising with mulitple warriors packing it.

anyways this is just beating a dead horse. arguement is long past dead and we all know the pros and cons. its all about what your team is doing. ignore bias comments b/c they tend to be wrong.

Finch · Nov 06, 2005, 09:05 PM // 21:05

im not sure what that means in bold, but it sounds pretty good. I'll give it a try smurf.

Eonwe · Nov 06, 2005, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Oh boy. This sounds like one of those "Rangers Unite! Ranger Pride!!" threads I saw a while ago, except with swords. Maybe instead of being biased we can just think logically and go by actual facts rather than personal preference

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Originally Posted by Stormbringer

Only one elite skill, Hundred blades, so you can use plenty of other skills with ur attack build to do more and more fast damage.

You mean something like frenzy? That's not elite. There are no attack speed buffs that are elite.

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Fast attack speed, even faster with the appropiate skills.

Swords and axes have the same exact attack speed, 1.33 sec.

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Small adrenaline cost, unlike axes and hammers.

Untrue. Axe and sword skills have comparable adrenaline costs, and the favor actually leans towards axes. For hammers you could argue that due to their slower attack speed you build up adrenaline slower, so in that respect you're somewhat correct.

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Only one true spike, I think...
Sever Artery / Gash / Galrath's Slash / Final Thrust / Battle rage

Spikes aren't four skills long, and I'm not sure how Battle Rage can be classified as part of a damage spike. The only good sword spike would be Galrath ->> Final Thrust, which unfortunately does not even compare to an axe spike of Eviscerate ->> Executioner's.

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Originally Posted by NinjaMonkey

ye axes are considered 'leeter' cause they have cleave.

Cleave is shit in comparison to Eviscerate. You would find me running around with a tri-weapon mastery warrior with three weapons and no armor before you saw me running cleave.

I think what it comes down to simply is this. Axes are favored over swords in the current gvg metagame because their spike is better than that of a sword's by leaps and bounds. I wouldn't be lying if I said that when we have run a warrior(s) for gvg in the past, they have been axe warriors. Why? Because right now the metagame revolves around ultra fast, high damage spikes. Axes are going you give you more bang for your buck than swords when it comes to pure damage and spiking capabilities (which is why they will continue to be run over swords in the future even when the metagame has changed).

I don't want to sound like an ass, but why (from a tombs/gvg perspective) would I want to run a sword over an axe? Axes have better skills, deal more damage, critical for more damage, and have better spiking capabilites.

For pve, I would say sure, do whatever the hell you want. A warrior's job in pve is reversed from his job in pvp.

Guardian of the Light · Nov 07, 2005, 04:21 AM // 04:21

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

I don't want to sound like an ass, but why (from a tombs/gvg perspective) would I want to run a sword over an axe? Axes have better skills, deal more damage, critical for more damage, and have better spiking capabilites.

For pve, I would say sure, do whatever the hell you want. A warrior's job in pve is reversed from his job in pvp.

AAa thanks I've figured out why there are so many ppl who think sword is weak. ITS IN THE PRE-BUILD PALIDIN BUILD which is weak in comparasion ton of other builds. These builds are in PvP competition arenas a lot and are crushed easily a lot of IWAY W/R kill these Dumb Paladins and the ax warriors think "O sword must be weak".

Now can we plese move on and next time use the search button